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Mark Daley's avatar

« Will AI ever be able to transcend the “knowledge closure boundary” » -- As long as the AI in question is Turing-complete, my answer is "yes". To argue otherwise requires taking the position that there is something about the computation that happens in human brains that is beyond the physical. That creativity is magic. For me, the world is simpler: a computable function is a computable function.

On a related note, you might enjoy the results in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18074

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Phil Tanny's avatar

Wait, stop, please slow down. Before we get all wrapped up in overthinking knowledge development, let's first question the assumption that forms the foundation of such a discussion, the "more is better" relationship with knowledge.

What is the logical consequence of knowledge development proceeding at one pace, while human maturity development proceeds at a much slower pace? The gap between the two widens over time. And if knowledge development proceeds at an accelerating pace as new knowledge feeds back in to the process, then the gap between power and maturity may widen at an accelerating pace too.

If the above is true, then going forward humanity will be ever more like the 8 year old child whose just been handed the keys to mom's car, a case of booze, and a loaded handgun. That is, the relationship between power and maturity will become ever more out of whack.

If the above is true, then the very sophisticated calculations you and your sources are engaged in don't really matter, because it's only a matter of time until the modern world spins out of control and everything you're trying to build is destroyed.

The "more is better" relationship with knowledge which is the foundation of the modern world is built upon an assumption that human beings have an unlimited ability to successfully manage ANY amount of power and change delivered at ANY rate. That is, without realizing it, the philosophy underneath modern science assumes that human beings are essentially gods.

Is that true? Are we gods?

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